>> no, not just the united states. we in europe. the east means far east -- that is to say asia, southwest asia, to the extent that one includes in the east india, pakistan, bangladesh. >> that is a big area with an awful lot of people. >> it is a lot of people. it is not such a huge area. it is roughly comparable with the west. the community is pretty large, too. how do you draw the divide? who is in it, out of it, and who is in between? >> you suggest a strategic vision in your book, a bit of education for me, and it is always interesting to see your take on the world, that the west down the road should really include russia and turkey. >> absolutely. they are in different ways increasingly partaking of the democratic tradition, and certainly the turks want to be part of europe and are practicing increasingly, and pervasively so, democracy, and have been engaged in the last 100 years in trying to emulate the european model of the modern state and have been invited some 50 years ago by the europeans to join the european union. in t